November 10, 2009
Please spread this message far and wide to others who may have been harmed. Sisters, mothers and daughters. Your time is now.
NOTICE OF PENDENCY OF CLASS ACTION
TO: EVERYONE WHO PURCHASED A MEMBERSHIP TO KIMKINS.COM THROUGH THE KIMKINS.COM WEB SITE (www.kimkins.com) FROM JANUARY 1, 2006 TO OCTOBER 15, 2007
PLEASE READ THIS NOTICE CAREFULLY. YOUR RIGHTS MAY BE AFFECTED BY A CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT THAT IS CURRENTLY PENDING IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT, IN RIVERSIDE, CALILFORNIA.
1. On May 20, 2009, the Riverside County Superior Court, located in Riverside, California, issued an order certifying this case to proceed as a class action.
2. The plaintiffs are six individuals who bought memberships to kimkins.com through the kimkins.com Website (www.kimkins.com) from January 1, 2006 to October 15, 2007. The defendants are Heidi Diaz, an individual, and Kimkins (also known as Kimkins.com), a business entity that conducts business in Corona, California.
3. The plaintiffs contend that Diaz and Kimkins.com induced them into buying memberships for kimkins.com through false and misleading information provided on the Kimkins.com Web site. The plaintiffs contend that the defendants violated California Business & Professions Code § 17200, et seq., which authorizes courts to provide relief from unfair, unlawful, and fraudulent business practices. The plaintiffs also contend that Diaz and Kimkins.com violated common law prohibitions against fraud and negligent misrepresentation.
4. This notice provides you with information regarding the litigation, including the plaintiffs’ claims against the defendants and the current status of the litigation. This notice also provides you with information regarding the court’s class-certification order.
The Plaintiffs’ Claims
5. This lawsuit is based on the plaintiffs’ claims that Diaz and Kimkins used unfair, unlawful, or fraudulent business practices to induce them into buying memberships to Kimkins.com. This lawsuit is also based on the plaintiffs’ claims that the false and misleading information contained on the kimkins.com Web site constituted fraud or negligent misrepresentation by Diaz and Kimkins.
6. Here’s a list of the kinds of misconduct that the plaintiffs have alleged:
• that Diaz and Kimkins concocted a false persona, “Kim Drake” or “Kimmer” to sell memberships to Kimkins.com
• that Diaz and Kimkins misled potential members into believing that “Kim Drake” was real by using photos of real women and then falsely claiming that the photos depicted “Drake”
• that Diaz and Kimkins posted lied about “Drake’s” purported weight loss
• that Diaz and Kimkins provided false or misleading information to Women’s World magazine
• that Diaz and Kimkins fabricated 41 “success stories” and published on the Kimkins.com Web
• that Diaz and Kimkins made up celebrity endorsements
• that Diaz and Kimkins misused labels and metatags to steer Internet traffic to the Kimkins.com Website, in violation of the law
• that Diaz and Kimkins misled potential members into believing that they were buying lifetime memberships, when in fact Diaz and Kimkins.com terminated memberships at their whim
• that Diaz and Kimkins intended to mislead potential members and assumed that potential members would rely on her misrepresentations.
The Defendants’ Position
7. Diaz and Kimkins have denied all allegations of wrongdoing and liability, and they continue to deny that they have done anything wrong. Diaz and Kimkins also have asserted various affirmative defenses to the plaintiffs’ claims.
THE COURT’S CLASS-CERTIFICATION ORDER
8. In an order filed May 20, 2009, the Court granted the Plaintiffs’ Motion for Class Certification. The Court certified for class treatment the plaintiffs’ claims for equitable relief, including disgorgement of the subscription fees paid to Diaz and Kimkins by the plaintiffs and the members of the class.
9. The certified class is defined as all individuals who purchased the Kimkins.com diet membership on-line from the Kimkins.com Web site from January 1, 2006 through October 15, 2007.
THE COURT HAS NOT EXPRESSED ANY OPINIONS
REGARDING THE MERITS OF THE PLAINTIFFS’ CLAIMS
10. The Court ordered that this notice be provided to advise class members that this case is pending and that the Court has certified the case to proceed as a class action. You should not consider this notice or its mailing to be a statement by the Court that the plaintiffs are right or that their claims will prevail.
INSTRUCTIONS TO CLASS MEMBERS
11. You do not need to do anything to remain a member of the class. If you bought a Kimkins.com diet membership on-line from the Kimkins.com Web site from January 1, 2006 through October 15, 2007—including either of those dates—you are automatically included in the class. Your rights will be represented by the plaintiffs and their attorneys. You will not be personally responsible for any attorney fees or for the any of the costs of this litigation.
OPT OUT OF CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT
12. You have the opportunity to opt out of the class action lawsuit as detailed herein. If you incurred a personal injury as a result of using the Kimkins.com aka Kimkins Diet, you have a right to opt out. Notices to opt must be sent to email@example.com or mailed to Tiedt & Hurd at 980 Montecito Drive, Suite 209, Corona, California 92879.
WHERE TO GO & WHOM TO CONTACT
SHOULD YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION
13. This notice provides only a brief summary of this litigation. For further details, you should take one or both of the following steps:
• Review the documents in the Court’s file for this lawsuit. Many of these documents may be viewed or obtained on-line at the following URL: http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov/OpenAccess/ . You also may review the Court’s file in person by going to the Office of the Clerk of the Court for the Riverside Superior Court, during regular business hours. The Clerk’s office is located at 4050 Main Street, Riverside, California 92501.
• Write a letter to the attorneys who are representing the plaintiffs and whom the Court has appointed to represent the class. Here are their names and their contact information:
John E. Tiedt & Marc S. Hurd
Tiedt & Hurd
980 Montecito Drive, Suite 209
Corona, California 92879
Michael L. Cohen
Michael L. Cohen, a PLC
707 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 4100
Los Angeles, California 90017
Moore Winter McLennan LLP
701 N. Brand Blvd., Suite 200
Glendale, California 92103-4232
If you decide to contact one of the plaintiffs’ attorneys, please do so in writing. To make it easier for them or one of their staff members to respond, however, your letter should include both your e-mail address and your telephone number.
There are estimated to be as many as 40,000 members in the class. So please, DO NOT CALL THE COURT OR ATTEMPT TO CONTACT THE COURT BY E-MAIL.
DATE: ___________________________, 2009
June 28, 2009
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January 21, 2008
I first heard of Kimkins in late June, 2007. I read of Kimmer’s amazing weight loss and maintenance. Her story and pictures, and the other success stories, were so inspiring that I paid for my membership and jumped right in.
At first it was confusing. The information given wasn’t clear as to quantities and limits but I read other’s questions and the answers given by Kimmer and the moderators and followed their instructions. I had never done low carb before but I was excited to start.
At first I wasn’t as low as I was supposed to be but I was still losing quickly and I was hooked. Eventually, I got my carbs and fats to the amounts stated and went on to lose 50 pounds. The weight loss made it easy to ignore the dizziness, nausea, and exhaustion. I brushed off the concerns of friends and family about the amount of food I was eating and for my health. I had read many accounts of other members experiencing the same side effects that I was having and the responses explaining them away as normal, signs they were doing the diet correctly. I read many Fitday accounts and felt guilty that my calories and fats weren’t as low as many that were praised for how they were doing the diet. I strived to get them there. I used Fitday to keep track of everything I ate. Every thing. I was spending most of my time on the site in the threads that posted progress reports and pictures. Seeing the difference in the appearance of other members was enough to keep me from letting the side effects I was experiencing worry me. I realize now how obsessed I’d become with seeing the numbers go down on the scale.
I think the first thing that had me questioning the validity of the diet and it’s founder were the bannings. I witnessed a teenage member being encouraged to lower her already very low calories. When she spoke up for herself there were members who attacked her for it. They were allowed to say the things they did without being reprimanded or banned, but the teen was banned. This made me begin to realize that the bannings were happening to protect Kimkins/ Kimmer/ Heidi Diaz and not for the stated protection of the members. More and more bannings were happening. It appeared that anyone who dared to speak out, question, or voice their concerns were losing their so called lifetime memberships stating TOS as the reason for the ban. Yet, those that supported Kimkins were being allowed to reply in obvious violation of TOS without repercussion. Around this time I discovered that Kimmer/Heidi’s explanation for Becky’s absence was a lie and it confirmed that much was being hidden, lied about, and protected and I no longer felt confident in the program’s founder, or those running the site.
In addition to the other side effects I was experiencing I had started losing my hair. I went searching the site to see if any others were experiencing hair loss and discovered people being banned for asking the same questions I myself had. They and their posts would quickly disappear. I would read them and then, poof, they were gone.
It was in a thread concerning the deletion of someone’s journal that I decided it was a good place to ask how I could post within TOS so I could state my concerns, ask questions about what I was experiencing and share information I had learned without risking the membership I had paid for. I made just a few posts and though I made no TOS violation, my membership was quickly rescinded without notice, warning, or reimbursement of my nearly $60 “lifetime” membership fee. It was later discovered through posted correspondence between Singinglass and Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) that I was banned because I had chosen a duck avatar from those that Kimkins supplied and Heidi didn’t trust anyone with a duck avatar.
It was very difficult to stop the diet because my view of food had changed dramatically. I had to force myself to increase my calories. I had an even harder time increasing my fat intake and though it took me a while, I did it. I made an appointment with my doctor and honestly told her what I had been eating. She was horrified and very concerned for my health. It’s been several months and I’m still going through testing from both my regular doctor and the Endocrinologist she has sent me to. I’m still experiencing dramatic hair loss.
Reading through sites and blogs on the internet I learned that I, like many others, had fallen for a scam. I discovered that those Heidi Diaz and her staff labeled as “haters” were actually people who were sincerely concerned for members of Kimkins. It was proven that the pictures of both Kimmer/Heidi Diaz and her fabricated success stories, were all stolen from online Russian bride sites. Heidi Diaz had NOT lost the weight she claimed and was actually morbidly obese. While she was doling out her guidance and advice, while she was talking about how “she” did the diet and about “her” success and maintenance, she was lying to me and every other member of Kimkins. She had no training in nutrition. She didn’t even have any personal experience to back her claims. Her account of the photo shoot for her (fake/stolen) red dress after picture where she had to twist and turn, so many of the success stories of members praising Kimmer for her diet and the weight loss they achieved were merely stolen pictures with fake stories that Kimmer/Heidi Diaz wrote herself.
My hope is that anyone considering following the Kimkins diet will reconsider trusting their health and money to Heidi Diaz. We all want to lose the weight we need to lose but not at the risk of our health and certainly not for the profit of someone who needs to rely on fabricated successes or elaborate lies in order to gain financially from our desire to get healthy. Please take advantage of all the free information available on the web and choose a safe weight loss program. If you were unfortunate enough to have joined Kimkins please consider joining the class action lawsuit. Losing weight should be a journey towards health, not the road to it’s decline.
Stay healthy. Stay safe.
January 16, 2008
You have blacked out, lost your way, lost your health.
Now is the time to help others to be free. You have that power. It is in your hands.
If you have documented proof of medical care due to Kimkins-related diet side effects, and can spend just a small amount of time talking with an interviewer,
wouldn’t it be worth the being shy… or having left that period of time behind you?
Now is not the time to step back. Now is the time to put your foot forward, if only for a few minutes.
You could be saving your daughter, your mother, your friend from being a victim of a very low calorie diet.
If you have suffered any of the following doctor verified medical conditions:
• Muscle fatigue or weakness
• Heartbeat palpitations
• Moderate to severe hair loss
• Bone and joint pain
• Mental changes – irritability, forgetfulness, confusion
• Bowel complications/symptoms of laxative abuse
as a result of your experience with the Kimkins Diet, and would like this exciting opportunity to share your experiences with the public, please contact KimkinsonABC@gmail.com within the next 48 hours.
No travel will be required, an ABC crew will come to you to discuss your experience.
If you know of anyone who fits the above-mentioned medical criteria, please share this contact information with them for this important opportunity.
Now is the time, sisters.
Now is the time.
January 3, 2008
Ok, I finally made it through all these threads. I am sooo upset right now.
I did Atkins in 2003 lost 100lbs, I stalled big time and decided to listen to kimmer and do her thing. well in no time at all, I became weak, fainting, angry, shakey, dizzy. My hair fell out. I was still overweight but was sick as hell. I stopped low carb all together. I have been seeing Drs ever since with complications with blood sugar and kidneys ect… I gained all my weight back plus some…
I started LC again on the 1st. I was and still am afraid to really do low carb. I am skipping the introduction part, just to keep from getting sick again. I know kimkins was not a real low carb woe. I know how to eat right, I just got sucked in to think I could drop more faster.
I am so angry right now. How could she knowingly mess with us like this!
Sorry this is all new to me and I can’t believe what has happened. I wish I would have known then what I know now.
from lowcarbfriends.com “Why the Fascination with Kimmer? #12”
December 1, 2007
My name’s Lily and I’ve been lurking on these threads since late June. I tried Kimkins myself then, and lost 30 pounds in about two months – which I thought was fantastic. And then, I couldn’t lose any more. Like many others, I kept dragging my calories down to the point where I’d eat nothing but a plain chicken breast for dinner and break down crying the next morning since my scale wouldn’t budge. My hair started to thin out, dizzyness was commonplace, but thankfully my husband convinced me to go back to high protein/high fat (I’ve had problems with EDs in my teens and early 20s – I’m 30 now).
At first glance, the diet seemed fantastic (especially with all of those supposed success stories) – even though I found Kimmer’s before and after pics more than suspect. I spent the early years of my career as a TV news reporter, and despite my own instincts – and the glaring evidence telling me otherwise – I chose to ignore them out of my own desperation to lose weight. And now I’ve severely compromised my health as a result.
I’m sure my story is like the countless other ones here, but I wanted to post because of something else with respect to the whole Heidi/Kimkins saga that kicks pretty close to home for me. Without a doubt, Heidi has a classic case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Having read through the threads here, I know that it’s been mentioned before – but I have to say she’s spot on. My mother was diagnosed with NPD years ago (which she says is just the opinion of a quack doctor who knows nothing – lol) and every element of this situation is a mirror of the behavior I’ve witnessed myself over the years.
I have to give much love and respect to all of you here for every effort made to reveal the truth – and stand by it – regardless of how hard it has been at times. You have a fan and an ally.
October 25, 2007
Based on completely false advertising, I chose to go on the Kimkins diet plan in June. My online food journal is evidence that I stuck to the plan as written, believing that it was a healthy and sensible form of weightloss based on the claims of the plan’s creator “Kimmer” or Heidi K. Diaz, who are in fact the same person. While I did lose weight, I also began to experience significant hair loss, nausea, bouts of dizziness and was freezing all the time. As a normally hot-natured person, I began researching the source of my coldness and discovered that such crash diets can lower thyroid function to dangerously low levels bringing about the cold feeling and hair loss. Doing more research, I discovered that Ms. Diaz has no medical backing for her diet plan, did not lose weight as she claimed and has faked many of the “success stories” that she uses on the Kimkins website to sell memberships. At the very best, this plan is a fraud and at worst, is downright dangerous to one’s health. She has no business selling a diet plan that will definitely harm a person’s health if they stick with it long enough.
October 25, 2007
There is no denying that you’ll lose weight on Kimkins. But then again, it’s because you are depriving yourself of essential nutrients due to the severe restrictions of the diet. Kimkins dieters have complained of hair loss, nausea and in my case, chronic constipation that didn’t resolve until I stopped the diet altogether and added more fiber into my diet. Kimmer (the founder) advocates taking laxatives daily, something I and most physicians do not agree with. Now, it has recently been revealed through a private detective and KTLA that Kimmer never lost the 198 lbs she claimed to have lost and she’s even fatter than her “before” picture. Even worse, many of her success story profiles have been fakes, using pictures from different Russian mail order bride websites. If you want to lose weight, there are better low carb alternatives out there, founded by legitimate physicians and nutritionist. Kimmer is neither of these. She is nothing but a fraud!
October 25, 2007
Many of you know that I am a member of Kimkins and tried the plan with great success for a few months. I’ve tried to be honest and open about my experiences with Kimkins in this blog. In the past my stance on this has been that of someone with an open mind and trusting heart. I sought knowledge. I openly proclaimed that I did not know if it was a healthy plan or not. I recommended that those considering the plan look into all the details they can find. It was working for me and I felt fine while doing it. I even added an affiliate link after giving it a trial run.
Then I read some information that was very disturbing about Kimmer’s business ethics. Funny how that seemed to be the “red flag” for me. But somehow it made me wonder if things truly were not as they seemed. I can deal with a lot of things, but being lied to is not one of them. No one likes to be deceived, and the thought that Kimmer might be misleading people was nagging at the back of my brain.
I started reading everything I could find on both sides of the issue. What I found was, quite frankly, sad. People on both sides of the battle lines were hurling insults and accusations quicker than you could blink. It made me sick. I don’t believe in handling problems by creating more problems. It’s not an effective strategy. But I was quickly finding that something was indeed wrong in the Kimkins camp.
After much thought and prayer I decided to pull my kimkins affiliate and endorsements. At the time I wasn’t sure where it would lead. I thought if things calmed down and Kimkins was validated, then I would replace the ads and all would be well. That was never to be.
I want to take this opportunity to apologize to anyone who bought a membership through my affiliate links. I know there were 4 of you. Yes. I’m admitting that I sold 4 memberships, which totaled a profit of $60 for me. I basically got my membership back, plus $30 (memberships were only $30 when I joined). I wish I could refund all of your money.. or at least the part I received. Sadly, I’m not in a position financially to do so, even though it’s “only” $60. On top of that there is this issue of honesty. I could ask those of you who joined to contact me, etc., etc., but then I’d be asking for scammers and liars out the wazoo. So sadly you’ll have to settle for my sincere apology. And I truly hope you will accept it. I pray that you got something from your membership that was worth the money to you. Again I’m sorry. I had no intention of misleading anyone. I myself was mislead. I hope you will feel you can trust me in the future. I made this statement to a good friend recently regarding this whole thing: “You can bet I’ll be looking into anything I plan on recommending with a fine tooth comb and a magnifying glass.”
As of late, more and more has been surfacing about this situation. The most interesting information is coming from people who, until recently, worked very closely with Kimmer. What I’ve read from these brave people, who have put themselves out there to stand for truth, despite the abuse and scrutiny they may receive, is just what I feared. Kimmer appears to be deceiving many. It also appears she could care less who it hurts. I hate to even type that. I’m the kind of person who loves other people and wants to believe the best of them. I tried to with Kimmer, but have found I can no longer do so.
In the posts I will link to a bit later on, you will find copies of emails exchanged, pictures taken, and comments made that display the smoke and mirrors that is called kimkins. And before you go off on me about how the diet is still OK and who cares who Kimmer really is, let me say that the diet is not OK. I can tell you from personal experience. Here is my explanation on this:
I started the diet very skeptical. Some of you may remember my posts telling how I was going to give it a shot, but seriously doubted I could continue with the plan. It just sounded hard. I managed to stick with it long enough for ketosis to kick in. then something amazing happened. It suddenly seemed very easy. I was breezing through each day hardly giving a thought to eating at all. I broke my stall and started losing very quickly. I was so excited! But something changed. Now physically I felt fine. I wasn’t having any health issues and I thought all was well. But in my mind something was changing. I didn’t see it as clearly then as I do now. To be honest, I didn’t realize it was as serious as it was until just a couple of days ago. That’s when I decided I needed to tell my story. But my way of thinking was changing. I was starting to obsess over every bite I took. Now if you are like me, you are saying “So what? We all do that sometimes!” And that’s exactly what I kept telling myself. I was sure it was just me and my obsessive personality. I’m an all-or-nothing kind of person so I felt positive it was just issues I was having and not something related to the diet. I started having concerns about my calories being too low and decided to up them a bit to be sure I was eating healthy. But I found that It took tremendous effort to eat more. I didn’t want to. I didn’t want to stop the quick weight loss.. or even slow it down. My way of thinking had changed so drastically that I was no longer as concerned about my health as I should have been. Thankfully I realized I couldn’t continue on this way and went back to a more Atkins-like plan.
A few days ago I was reading some comments from others who were once on Kimkins. They were experiencing the same thoughts I was. They had the same feelings I did. Some were afraid to eat anything! Those similar experiences caused something to click in my mind. I realized I could have easily developed an eating disorder. I was on the verge. I was so obsessed with losing weight quickly, that only having 3 protein shakes a day, which totaled 330 calories, actually seemed acceptable. I would have laughed in the past had you EVER told me I’d feel that way.
Now can I blame this way of thinking on the diet? I don’t know. I do think it’s possible. It’s not something I have ever even considered before, even when I was losing well on Atkins. So why this mentality now? Why when I was trying Kimkins. All I can say is there COULD be a link. And it’s a big enough could that I’m making sure the rest of you know about it.
I have not experienced health issues as some have, but then I was only on Kimkins for a short time. There are many, including some popular faces of Kimkins, that have confessed to losing hair, having energy issues, etc.
Here are the aforementioned links. Read them and decide for yourself. It might interest you to know that many people who bought lifetime memberships no longer seem to have access to kimkins.com. It seems that if they asked questions or made honest suggestions for nipping all this conflict in the bud, they were quickly squelched. I guess they are considered trouble makers. I don’t want to stir up trouble, but I do want to know the truth, as do so many others. I may be the next person to lose my membership access.. we shall see.
Check out Becky’s (littlebit’s) blog, who was a very public face for the kimkins forums. There are several posts here that will enlighten you to the workings of Kimmer’s mind, at least in relation to how she felt about the concerns at hand.
Here is Deni’s blog, who was one of the success stories in the Woman’s World write up. Again, it’s interesting to see her point of view. Considering she was a kimkins celebrity, why would she suddenly turn away from it all unless she had valid reasons?
Then we have Christin, who was the Woman’s World cover girl for that story. Again, why would she leave unless there were serious issues behind the scenes?
Then we have a series of very disturbing posts by a man who claims to be the husband of Kimmer’s ex business partner. In his blog he reveals not only shady business dealings, but recent photos of Heidi Diaz, who is supposed to be Kimmer. Kimmer claims she is not Heidi and that she feels sorry for Heidi because she is being stalked by this PI. But my question is this. If Kimmer isn’t Heidi, then why did she let Women’s World magazine tell everyone she was? The famous “red dress” picture is in the magazine, along with the blue and white floral before picture. The magazine credits Heidi Diaz, otherwise known as Kimmer, as the creator of the diet and the person in the two photos. If Kimmer were an honest person, and these were not photos of her, wouldn’t she have stepped forward and said so? But now she claims that she is NOT Heidi Diaz, and seems to be bragging that no one knows WHO she really is (See Becky’s blog above). Does that sound like the comments of an honest person to you? Me thinks not.
I could add many more links here about the effects of very low calorie dieting, Kimmer’s advising people to use laxatives, etc., etc. But I think I’m done. You can find these on any of the many other blogs and web sites out there that are dedicated to bringing to light the truth. I just wanted to share my view point on this. While I’m not in the Kimmmer hating camp, because it’s not the way I believe or operate, I am very disappointed in her and her so-called healthy plan.
If you are doing the Kimkins diet, I wish you health and happiness. I’m not going to beat you up because you are. I feel I did learn some things about myself during this experience that have been helpful to me, so I can’t completely write it all off. But I don’t think the positives outweigh the negatives here. So please be careful and watch the signals your body is giving you. If you are concerned about anything at all, please go see a doctor and tell him/her of your diet plan.
So these are my feelings on the matter. I know I have opened myself up for abuse by posting this, but my hopes are that if you disagree with me, you can do so civilly. And I hope this post will give others the courage to tell their story and do an honest evaluation of their health. Weight loss is great, but the old saying is true.. “If you don’t have your health, you don’t have anything.”
God bless you all.
October 25, 2007
Just posted this on Kimkins:
This will be my last post on Kimkins.
I just saw the clip on the KTLA website and I’m shocked. Even more shocking was the explanation from Kimmer regarding the woman featured on the video clip, who 100% looks dead on like Kimmer’s before picture.
I have brought many people to Kimkins because it worked for me. However, I can no longer reconcile this fact with the mounting evidence that Kimmer/Heidi Diaz is a FRAUD. Her before and after picture was a fraud, her whole story was a fraud. This is clearly a business model built on deliberate, calculated dishonesty.
This whole charade of one person has turned this once loving, nurturing community into one of fear caused by a few fear-mongering admins, who are so eager to defend this lie.
As a person who values integrity and honesty with extremely high regards, I feel I can no longer be a part of this scam. I wish to apologize to those I’ve snapped at before, because they were trying to inquire the truth. Please forgive me. I acted prematurely and now I know what you know.
“Truth is mighty and will prevail!” – Mark Twain
PS…..my user name was WOOFY and Becky and Cutie, you two were so helpful to me when I started Kimkins and I just want to thank you!
from “This Just In…”